VARONIS-SYSTEMS Earningcall Transcript Of Q2 of 2024


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and Guy Melamed, chief financial officer and chief operating officer of Varonis.

After preliminary remarks, we will open the call to a question-and-answer session. During this call,

we  may  make  statements  related  to  our  business  that  would  be  considered  forward-looking

statements  under  federal  securities  laws,  including  projections  of  future  operating  results  for  our

third  quarter  and  full  year  ending  December  31,  2024.  Due  to  a  number  of  factors,  actual  results

may  differ  materially  from  those  set  forth  in  such  statements.  These  factors  are  set  forth  in  the

earnings  press  release  that  we  issued  today  under  the  section  captioned  Forward-Looking

Statements, and these and other important risk factors are described more fully in our reports filed

with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

We encourage all investors to read our SEC filings. These statements reflect our views only as of

today and should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any subsequent date. Varonis

expressly disclaims any obligation or undertaking to release publicly any updates or revisions to any

forward-looking  statements  made  here.  Additionally,  non-GAAP  financial  measures  will  be

discussed on this conference call.

A reconciliation for the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures is also available in our

second  quarter  2024  earnings  press  release  and  investor  presentation,  which  can  be  found  at

www.varonis.com in the Investor Relations section. Lastly, please note that a webcast of today's call

is available on our website in the Investor Relations section. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to

our chief executive officer, Yaki Faitelson. Yaki? 

Yaki Faitelson -- Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks,  Tim,  and  good  afternoon,  everyone.  Thank  you  for  joining  us  today  to  discuss  our

second-quarter  results,  our  SaaS  transition  progress,  and  the  tailwinds  impacting  our  business.

First,  I  would  like  to  remind  you  why  Varonis  exists  and  how  we  help  our  customers.  Today,  the

purpose  of  almost  any  cyberattack  is  to  steal  data,  but  the  purpose  of  the  security  solutions  most

organizations deploy are to protect their endpoints and their perimeters.

These technologies are very important, but they aren't enough to protect data. To protect data, you

must  have  a  data-first  solution  and  a  data-first  approach.  Varonis'  data-first  approach  helps

companies locate their sensitive data, visualize who has access to it, automatically lock it down, and

then  detect  and  respond  to  threats  on  it.  Clear  and  simple  example,  credit  card  companies  keep

making it harder for bad actors to get your credit card number, but they know credit card numbers

will still sometimes be stolen.

So, they also watch the credit card transactions and compare them to what they know normal usage

looks like to detect and stop fraudulent transaction. Varonis uses the same approach of protecting

data, make it harder for the wrong people to access it, and monitor the data transactions to spot and

stop  anything  abnormal  like  ransomware  insider  threats  or  AI  abuse.  With  our  SaaS  platform  and

recently  released  MDDR  offering,  we  have  a  sophisticated  and  automated  solution  that  enable

customers to protect their data with very little time and effort. This allows companies to collaborate

safely while also managing risks.

Innovation has always been at the core of Varonis, and in late June, we achieved the FedRAMP In

Process designation, which represents an important step toward enabling us to provide the benefit

of our SaaS platform to our federal government customers. I would like to take a moment to thank

everyone  involved  in  the  process.  Now,  I  would  like  to  turn  to  our  second  quarter  results,  which

reflect the growing momentum of our SaaS platform and recently introduced MDDR offering. These

offerings  are  driving  strong  new  customer  addition  and  healthy  convergence  activity  from  existing

customers.

ARR  grew  18%  to  $584.2  million,  and  year  to  date,  we  generated  $67.3  million  of  free  cash  flow

versus $40 million generated last year. SaaS ARR now represents approximately 36% of total ARR.

Guy will review our Q2 results and our updated guidance in more detail shortly. This was a harder

quarter of strong execution by our team that has risen to the challenge of a stable but a challenging

environment still with elevated levels of deal scrutiny.

The transition to SaaS delivery model is progressing quickly because of the many benefits that our

customers realize. Customers can achieve automated outcomes, which means they can ensure that

data  is  protected  with  very  little  effort.  SaaS  is  quicker  to  deploy  and  operationalize  because  of

significantly  lower  infrastructure  and  personnel  investments,  and  SaaS  is  easier  to  maintain  and

upgrade. Additionally, there are three key benefits that we realized.

They are shorter sales cycle, larger initial lands, and margin benefits over time. I would now like to

turn  to  a  couple  of  tailwinds  that  we  believe  will  drive  momentum  in  our  business.  The  first  is  our

Managed  Data  Detection  and  Response  offering,  which  we  call  MDDR.  This  is  the  first  managed

service  for  monitoring  and  protecting  critical  data  and  is  only  available  for  our  SaaS  customers

because of the visibility and automation that is built into our SaaS platform.

MDDR was only introduced in Q1 and is already becoming a key driver of new business wins and

existing customer conversion to SaaS. And we believe that we are just scratching the surface with

this opportunity. We continue to see that CISOs don't have the resources to monitor and investigate

alerts fast enough. With MDDR, we ended this problem.

If  we  see  a  threat,  we  can  stop  it  and  simply  notify  the  customer  after  the  threat  has  been

neutralized. We pioneered the use of machine learning to perform user behavior analysis and build

highly  accurate  threat  models.  Our  team  leverages  this  significant  automation  plus  our  unique

telemetry  to  efficiently  detect  if  data  is  under  attack  and  to  catch  threats  are  missed  by  others.

Bottom line, the early proof points that we are seeing leaves us excited about what the future holds

for MDDR.

The  second  tailwind,  we  see  generative  AI.  This  technology  is  top  of  mind  for  many  organizations

and  is  a  key  theme  in  nearly  all  conversations  with  prospects  and  customers.  The  productivity

benefits  that  GenAI  brings  are  widely  understood,  but  GenAI  also  worsens  the  data  access  risk

companies already face. Take for example a bank that was piloting a GenAI tool with users on their

trading flow.

They wanted to make trade more productive and earn the bank more money. The traders started to

use  it  for  research.  They  started  searching  for  answers  on  questions  like  what  stocks  do  our

employees  invest  in.  The  problem  is  the  tool  started  showing  names,  Social  Security  numbers,

401(k) positions, and account numbers.

The  security  team  immediately  turned  it  off  because  they  were  going  to  face  major  fines  and

sanctions, and it wasn't because those traders were acting maliciously. They were just trying to use

the tool and ended up finding extremely sensitive data that was mistakenly opened to everybody in

the  company.  We  believe  that  GenAI  adoption  within  enterprises  will  serve  as  a  catalyst  that

exposes  their  underlying  data  security  risks,  and  this  is  the  very  problem  that  Varonis  was  built  to

solve.  As  a  result,  we  expect  that,  as  companies  adopt  GenAI,  they  will  be  forced  to  make

addressing those risks a top priority.

Without  Varonis,  rightsizing  access  control  is  extremely  challenging.  We  mitigate  these  risks  by

automatically  ensuring  only  the  right  people  can  access  the  data  necessary  for  their  job  function.

Companies are thoughtfully considering these risks before expanding from pilots into broad rollouts.

The feedback we are hearing from customers continue to strengthen the conviction we have in our

ability  to  benefit  from  enormous  secular  tailwinds,  and  we  are  seeing  a  healthy  pipeline  build  with

respect to this opportunity.

With  that,  I  would  like  to  briefly  discuss  a  couple  of  key  customer  wins  from  Q2.  A  large  Midwest

hospital  system  became  a  Varonis  customer  this  quarter.  This  organization  was  concerned  about

where  its  sensitive  data  was  located,  who  had  access  to  it,  and  how  they  will  respond  to  a

ransomware attack. During the risk assessment, we detected attacks already in progress, including

an attack on their CEO account coming from outside the organization.

The company was able to prevent it and ensure that account was secured. The second attack that

occurred was a business email compromise that began when an employee clicked on a phishing link

that  came  from  a  malicious  email,  and  the  account  started  accessing  files  from  an  unusual

geolocation.  Luckily,  our  team  was  able  to  confirm.  They  would  detect  and  stop  this  compromise

before any sensitive data was accessed.

Because we have a conclusive record of the data transaction and prevent any damage from being

done,  they  purchased  Varonis  SaaS  for  their  hybrid  environment  with  MDDR  protection  and  were

able to avoid material breach that could require them to publicly file any data breach disclosures. We

continue to see healthy demand from existing customers converting from our self-hosted platforms

to Varonis SaaS. One example of this is a multinational commercial real estate firm that has been a

Varonis  customer  since  2014.  They  wanted  to  decrease  their  infrastructure  spend  and  reduce  the

time spent maintaining and upgrading their software.

Moving  to  Varonis  SaaS  allowed  them  to  immediately  cut  their  server  footprint  and  reduce  their

ongoing maintenance requirements. In addition to these operational savings, they will automatically

remediate  overexposure  in  Microsoft  365.  They  also  purchased  the  Varonis  SaaS  hybrid  package

through  the  Azure  Marketplace,  which  simplified  their  procurement  process.  In  summary,  the

adoption of our SaaS platforms and MDDR offering are driving positive business momentum.

And  we  are  just  scratching  the  surface  of  our  long-term  opportunity.  We  are  excited  to  enter  the

second half of 2024 from a strong position to capitalize on the tailwind of MDDR GenAI in increasing

data-centric compliance regulation. With that, let me turn over to Guy. Guy?

Guy Melamed -- Chief Financial Officer and Chief Operating Officer

Thanks,  Yaki.  Good  afternoon,  everyone.  Thank  you  for  joining  us  today.  Our  second-quarter

performance gives us increased confidence in our full-year trajectory, driven by our SaaS platform

and MDDR offering.

At the end of Q2, SaaS ARR increased to approximately $210 million or 36% of our total company

ARR,  driven  by  strong  contribution  from  new  logos  and  existing  customer  conversions.  This

momentum, coupled with the tailwinds Yaki mentioned, allows us to raise our full-year ARR and free

cash  flow  guidance  and  also  to  increase  our  SaaS  ARR  expectations.  The  key  drivers  of  our

business this quarter were SaaS and MDDR. With each passing quarter, our story becomes more

strategic and simpler for customers.

SaaS  eliminates  the  two  biggest  prospects  of  not  wanting  hardware  or  having  the  head  count  to

manage 

the  platform.  That  obviously  requires 

less  hardware  and  meaningfully  simplifies

maintenance and upgrades. And MDDR removes the need for people to review alerts since we do it

all for them. We're seeing that the value proposition of our platform, together with the simplicity of

our story, is shortening deal cycles when compared to on-prem subscription deals.

Generative AI remains a theme in nearly every customer conversation we are having and reinforces

our  view  that  this  will  become  a  secular  tailwind.  Our  pipeline  continues  to  be  healthy  as  a  result.

And as we discussed in the past, we are still not seeing material contribution to our reported metrics

derived  from  it.  Consistent  with  our  prior  comments,  we  have  not  included  the  impact  of  material

GenAI adoption in our guidance.

As we enter the second half of the year, we look forward to converting more of the installed base of

on-prem subscription customers to our SaaS platform. Pricing continues to be in line with our price

list  increase  of  25%  to  30%.  And  in  some  cases,  we  see  deal  sizes  increase  in  excess  of  that  as

customers consume more of the platform upon conversion to our SaaS platform. We expect that the

ramp-up  of  this  phase  will  not  be  linear  and  momentum  should  grow  in  each  quarter  with  further

acceleration in dollar terms in 2025 and 2026.

In  the  second  quarter,  ARR  grew  18%  year  over  year  to  $584.2  million.  And  year  to  date,  we

generated $67.3 million of free cash flow, which was up from $40 million generated over the same

period  last  year.  These  metrics  demonstrate  our  commitment  to  balancing  top-line  growth  with

improving  cash  flow  generation  during  the  transition.  Turning  now  to  our  second-quarter  results  in

more detail.

As  a  reminder,  the  leading  indicators  of  our  transitions  are  ARR,  free  cash  flow,  and  ARR

contribution margin. As we have said many times, the faster we progress through the transition, the

more headwinds we will experience to our traditional income statement metrics. But we view this in

a positive light. As compared to three months ago, we feel increasingly confident in the trajectory of

the business following our second quarter results.

While  the  macro  environment  remains  challenging,  it  is  also  stable,  and  SaaS  and  MDDR  are

resonating well in this market to drive positive business momentum. Q2 total revenues were $130.3

million, up 13% year over year. During the quarter, as compared to the same quarter last year, we

had approximately a 6% headwind to our year-over-year revenue growth rate as a result of having

increased  SaaS  sales  in  our  booking  mix,  which  are  recognized  rapidly  versus  the  upfront

recognition of our on-prem subscription products. In the second quarter, SaaS revenues were $44.8

million.

Term  license  subscription  revenues  were  $62.7  million.  And  maintenance  and  services  revenues

were $22.8 million as our renewal rate were, again, over 90%. Moving down the income statement,

I'll be discussing non-GAAP results going forward. Gross profit for the second quarter was $109.6

million, representing a gross margin of 84.1% compared to 87.1% in the second quarter of 2023.

Gross  margin  continued  to  be  strong,  and  the  year-over-year  change  is  due  to  the  revenue

headwind  associated  with  a  higher  mix  of  SaaS  sales,  increased  head  count  to  support  the

transition,  and  increased  hosting  costs.  Operating  expenses  in  the  second  quarter  totaled  $107.5

million.  As  a  result,  second  quarter  operating  income  was  $2.1  million  or  an  operating  margin  of

1.6%. This compares to operating income of $0.9 million or an operating margin of 0.8% in the same

period last year.

During the second quarter, as compared to the same quarter last year, we had approximately a 5%

headwind  to  our  operating  margin  as  a  result  of  having  increased  SaaS  sales  in  our  booking  mix,

which  are  recognized  ratably  versus  the  upfront  recognition  of  our  on-prem  subscription  products.

Second  quarter  ARR  contribution  margin  was  14.9%,  up  from  8.2%  last  year.  The  significant

leverage  improvement  even  during  the  early  stages  of  the  transition  reflects  our  ability  to  drive

strong  incremental  margins  while  growing  ARR  and  transitioning  to  SaaS.  During  the  quarter,  we

had a financial income of approximately $8.1 million, driven primarily by interest income on our cash

deposits and investments in marketable securities.

Net income for the second quarter of 2024 was $6.8 million or $0.05 per diluted share compared to

net income of $1.1 million or net income of $0.01 per diluted share for the second quarter of 2023.

This is based on 128 million and 127.3 million diluted shares outstanding for Q2 2024 and Q2 2023,

respectively.  As  of  June  30,  2024,  we  had  $790.3  million  in  cash,  cash  equivalents,  short-term

deposits, and marketable securities. For the six months ended June 30, 2024, we generated $68.4

million of cash from operations compared to $42.6 million generated in the same period last year.

And  capex  was  $1.1  million  compared  to  $2.6  million  last  year.  Turning  now  to  our  updated  2024

guidance  in  more  detail.  It  is  important  to  note  that  our  guidance  now  assumes  48%  of  total

company ARR will come from our SaaS platform by year-end. As it relates to our quarterly revenue

guidance,  there  are  more  conversions  embedded  in  our  Q4  guidance  versus  our  Q3  guidance

because we have more renewals in Q4 from a seasonal perspective.

And the third quarter is federal's largest quarter, and we still expect to sell on-prem subscription in

that vertical. For the third quarter of 2024, we expect total revenues of $140 million to $143 million,

representing  growth  of  14%  to  17%;  non-GAAP  operating  income  of  $7  million  to  $8  million;  and

non-GAAP net income per diluted share in the range of $0.07 to $0.08. This assumes 128.2 million

diluted  shares  outstanding.  For  the  full  year  2024,  we  now  expect  ARR  of  $629  million  to  $635

million,  representing  growth  of  16%  to  17%;  free  cash  flow  of  $80  million  to  $85  million;  total

revenues  of  $544  million  to  $552  million,  representing  growth  of  9%  to  11%;  non-GAAP  operating

income of $18 million to $21 million; non-GAAP net income per diluted share in the range of $0.22 to

$0.24.

This  assumes  128.1  million  diluted  shares  outstanding.  In  summary,  our  second  quarter

performance,  coupled  with  the  many  tailwinds  in  our  business,  gives  us  confidence  to  raise  our

full-year  ARR  and  free  cash  flow  guidance  and  also  to  increase  our  SaaS  ARR  expectations.  We

look  forward  to  driving  continued  momentum  as  we  move  through  the  second  phase  of  our  SaaS

transition  and  unlocking  meaningful  value  for  our  customers,  our  company,  and  our  shareholders.

With that, we will be happy to take questions.

Operator?

Operator

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