PINTEREST Earningcall Transcript Of Q2 of 2024


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Bill Ready -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Andrew. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining our second-quarter 2024 earnings call.

Q2  marked  another  strong  quarter  of  growth  in  users  and  revenue,  driven  by  continued  progress

against our strategic initiatives. On the User side, we're leaning into what our users love most about

Pinterest, the ability to find inspiration and take actions seamlessly in one platform.

And  as  we  said  before,  we  found  our  best  product  market  fit  in  years.  Q2  global  MAUs  reached

another  record  high  of  522  million,  growing  12%  year  over  year.  On  the  monetization  side,  our

investments to become a true full-funnel platform, particularly our efforts to build out our lower funnel

offerings are paying off with Q2 revenue of $854 million, up 21% year over year. We also continued

to drive significant improvements in profitability, resulting in Q2 adjusted EBITDA of $180 million or a

21% margin, up 600 basis points versus Q2 last year.

Before I dive into my usual business update, I wanted to start with a few anecdotes from my time

last month at Cannes Lions, one of the largest advertising industry events of the year as it reflects

the momentum building around Pinterest. Advertisers are taking note of Gen Z love for Pinterest and

are  increasingly  understanding  how  they  can  meet  this  audience  on  our  platform  across  their

inspiration-to-action journey. They're also seeing firsthand how our investments in the lower funnel

are driving tangible success through our increased clicks and conversions. And this momentum was

evident at Cannes as we saw a 50% increase in the number of visits to our activation this year and a

40% increase in the number of advertisers we met with at this important event.

While at Cannes, we created an immersive activation experience, where attendees could discover

user  behavior  on  Pinterest  firsthand,  and  what  one  CEO  said,  "felt  like  stepping  into  a  real-life

inspiration board." We created a space where attendees, many of whom were Gen Z, could take a

break  from  talking  and  hearing  about  creativity  and  actually  be  creative  with  Pinterest.  We  also

previewed  our  latest  AI  and  automation  tools  to  drive  even  more  performance  for  our  advertisers

through  the  launch  of  Performance  Plus,  which  was  very  well  received.  I'll  discuss  more  about

Performance  Plus  later  in  my  remarks.  Shifting  now  to  our  quarterly  update,  beginning  with  Users

and Engagement.

Last  quarter,  we  reviewed  the  initiatives  over  the  last  two  years  that  have  taken  us  from  declining

users to sustained user growth. These initiatives are, one, utilizing AI to drive increased relevance

and  personalization;  two,  doubling  down  on  curation  through  boards  and  collages  to  help  users

navigate their inspiration to action journey; three, increasing actionability, particularly for shopping,

allowing  our  users  to  bring  their  inspiration  to  life;  and  four,  creating  a  more  positive  alternative  to

traditional social media. When combined, these initiatives have had compounding effects and have

led to the healthy MAU growth we're seeing today across all geographic regions and the age cohorts

we  track.  Now,  I'll  share  more  about  the  key  recent  product  launches  that  demonstrate  continued

progress against our strategy and the initiatives I've outlined.

First, we're helping our users more effectively find inspiration and discover new relevant content that

resonates  with  their  interest  through  our  investments  in  AI.  We've  made  ongoing  progress  to

modernize  the  core  AI  that  powers  the  content  users  are  shown,  leading  to  meaningful

improvements  to  the  relevance  and  personalization  of  our  content  recommendations.  As  an

example, in Q2, we upgraded our search ranking algorithm to incorporate new signals, enabling us

to  recommend  more  relevant  and  ultimately  engaging  content  for  the  user.  This  resulted  in  a

significant increase in our global search fulfillment rate, which means our users are finding more of

what they're looking for when they search on Pinterest.

A part of our efforts to improve content discovery is to help users refine their searches, which often

started short, broad queries as users come to us with a general sense of what they're looking for but

don't  have  the  precise  words  to  describe  it  or  we'll  know  it  when  they  see  it.  We're  continuing  to

invest  in  bolstering  content  discovery  through  generative  AI-based  guided  search,  which  we  first

rolled out several months ago for the Home Decor vertical. Guided search provides a structured way

to break down these broad queries in the narrower avenues of exploration. For example, a search

for  a  broad  query  like  kitchen  ideas  might  lead  a  user  to  more  refined  options  like  DIY  kitchen

projects  or  backsplash  inspiration,  to  further  explore  their  taste  and  move  down  the  inspiration  to

action journey.

We're finding a notably strong product user fit for guided search with our more episodic users, who

are  generally  less  familiar  with  the  platform  and  thus  find  value  in  the  structured  experience  to

discover  fulfilling  results.  Second,  we're  leaning  into  curation,  a  key  differentiating  feature  of

Pinterest and one that users leverage as a pivotal step to navigate their journey from inspiration to

action. Said simply, it's how they refine their choices and decide what to buy. Human curation on the

platform  bolsters  our  content  flywheel,  providing  rich  first-party  signals  early  in  customer  shopping

journeys.

These signals are predictive of user interest and allow us to drive even more relevance to users via

enhanced  content  recommendations.  We've  been  reinvesting  in  making  the  curation  journey  on

Pinterest easier to use and more engaging for our users through updates to boards and through our

new  content  format  collages.  On  the  board  side,  it's  more  intuitive  to  create,  save  to,  and  share

boards than ever, with a refined user interface and new features like auto organization that utilizes

AI  to  identify  and  automatically  group  together  Pins  into  new  boards,  saving  users  the  need  to

organize  it  themselves.  We're  also  making  it  easier  for  users  to  share  their  taste  and  style  with

others.

In Q2, we launched board sharing, a new feature allowing users to share engaging videos of their

Pinterest boards like dream home decor or ultimate travel bucket list to other social platforms for the

first  time.  This  feature  also  enables  us  to  include  a  link  for  others  to  explore  their  boards  on  a

platform  as  well.  We're  also  collaborating  with  power  users  like  musician  Avril  Lavigne,  who  use

board sharing to give her fans a sneak peek into the inspiration behind her tour outfits. To bring this

feature  to  life  for  a  broader  audience  and  showcase  the  magic  of  curation  on  Pinterest,  we're

continuing to make progress with collages.

A  highly  interactive  new  content  format  developed  using  advanced  computer  vision  technology,

which allows users to cut out components like a shirt or a pair of shoes from other images and piece

them together into one highly engaging and interactive Pin. And as we've mentioned before, we're

seeing that this content format resonates with our audience, who save collages roughly three times

more  often  than  our  traditional  Pins,  especially  with  our  Gen  Z  audience  who  uses  collages  to

express their personal aesthetic. In Q2, we extended collages to advertisers, meaning they can now

create engaging collages using cutouts of product Pins from their own catalog and promote them as

ads. In fact, brands like Nike, John Lewis, and Bumble and bumble.

are utilizing collages to showcase their product catalog in a unique and visually appealing way. And

finally,  we're  driving  further  actionability  across  Pinterest  by  launching  features  that  allow  users  to

move  further  along  in  their  shopping  journeys  and  take  action  on  what  they  see.  In  doing  so,  we

more than doubled the number of outbound clicks we sent to advertisers year over year for the third

quarter in a row. And as we improve overall actionability and make it easier for users to find what

they're  looking  for,  we're  seeing  that  users  are  able  to  successfully  complete  their  journeys  on

Pinterest more quickly.

In  Q2,  we  shipped  more  new  filters  like  price,  retailer,  and  brand  on  high  shopping  intent  search

queries  across  fashion  and  home  decor  verticals.  We're  also  experimenting  with  other  filters,

including On Sale, to give users more control over their shopping journeys and find products tailored

to their style and budget. And with this valuable signal, we can then recommend even more relevant

and personalized shoppable content to our users. We're also making video more shoppable on the

platform as it is an integral content format on the inspiration-to-action journey.

As  an  example,  in  Q1,  we  launched  Shop  the  Look  on  video  to  help  users  shop  items  that  bring

them inspiration and videos they were already watching. In Q2, we introduced video shopping ads to

complement all the work we've been doing to drive actionability across formats and surfaces. With

video  shopping  ads,  merchants  can  seamlessly  add  videos  to  their  product  catalogs  on  Pinterest

and promote them. Hundreds of advertisers have already started incorporating video in their product

catalogs, given the strong visual nature of our platform.

For mass retailers who have adopted this format, shoppable video ads drove a higher click-through

rate and lower cost per action compared to static catalog ads. Next, I'd like to discuss how we are

improving  monetization  by  making  Pinterest  more  valuable  and  performant  for  advertisers.  We

delivered strong revenue growth in Q2, and the momentum we're driving in the business is evidence

of  all  the  work  we've  been  doing  over  the  last  several  quarters  to  significantly  improve  our  ad

offering.  As  the  initiatives  we  outlined  at  our  Investor  Day  continue  to  deliver  as  we  expected  or

better,  this  includes,  one,  our  investments  to  become  a  true  full-funnel  ad  platform,  particularly

through  our  new  lower  funnel  offering  that  are  creating  significant  value  for  advertisers;  two,

continuing to increase ad load driven by the synergies between our users' strong commercial intent

and relevant ads; and lastly, third-party partners, resellers and international, as additional levers to

revenue growth.

We're seeing advertisers take notice of the growing momentum in our business, and we're gaining

share  with  some  of  the  largest  and  most  sophisticated  advertisers  in  the  world.  As  I  look  ahead,

there's a lot more to do, but it is clear that the strategy we've employed is working. Shifting to our

full-funnel  ad  solutions.  We've  been  hard  at  work  improving  our  offering  to  help  advertisers  meet

consumers the full funnel.

Pinterest  is  a  place  where  advertisers  can  build  their  brand  in  a  positive  environment,  drive

consideration when the consumer has not yet decided, and ultimately deliver conversions all on one

platform.  We  see  that  over  90%  of  search  queries  don't  specify  a  brand  or  specific  product,  but

rather  a  categorical  interest  such  as  fun  summer  dresses  or  cool  white  sneakers,  or  mid-century

bedroom  decor.  This  is  a  magic  moment  for  advertisers  to  connect  with  users  who  have  clear

commercial  intent  but  have  not  yet  decided  what  they  want  to  buy.  Many  of  our  advertisers  are

taking advantage of the full funnel, with over half of our large advertisers using multiple  campaign

objectives.

Moreover, advertisers who use upper and lower-funnel objectives see two times higher conversion

rates than those who use one objective alone. Within the full funnel, we focused the majority of our

monetization efforts on the lower funnel to drive performance in the form of clicks and conversions to

advertisers. We've made substantial progress across our entire platform to improve actionability and

allow  users  to  shop  at  the  point  of  inspiration.  Nowhere  does  this  manifest  more  than  within  the

lower funnel, where relevant shoppable ads can be great content on Pinterest.

And  whole  page  optimization  powered  by  AI  allows  us  to  show  more  of  these  relevant  shoppable

ads  when  users  are  in  moments  of  high  commercial  intent.  Over  the  last  year,  we've  also  made

significant progress in making the purchase journey more seamless for our users, with products like

mobile  deep  linking  and  direct  links.  Now,  nearly  100%  of  our  lower  funnel  revenue  is  covered  by

direct links or mobile deep linking, which means it takes just one click to leave the user directly to an

advertiser's product or purchase page. The changes we've made are having real impacts, as we've

now more than doubled the amount of clicks to advertisers year over year for the third quarter in a

row.

As advertisers have begun to notice improvements in their measurement sources of truth, many of

the largest, most sophisticated advertisers are voting with their dollars and driving more budget to

Pinterest.  We're  beginning  to  see  value  capture  from  the  next  tranche  of  advertisers  as  well  and

believe  much  of  the  value  captured  from  direct  link  is  still  ahead  of  us,  as  advertisers  continue  to

take note of the consistent increase in click volume we are delivering. However, the pace at which

advertisers  adjust  their  budgets  depends  on  a  variety  of  factors,  including  seeing  performance

appear  in  their  individual  measurement  sources  of  truth  and  the  level  of  resourcing  required  to

implement  incremental  campaigns.  We  anticipate  that  with  the  rollout  of  our  new  automation  suite

Performance  Plus,  which  I'll  discuss  shortly  in  more  detail,  we'll  be  able  to  alleviate  some  of  this

heavy lifting on the advertiser side.

This  should  drive  even  greater  value  creation  through  improved  campaign  setup  and  efficiency,

leading to compounding performance effects through our full lower funnel solution set and ultimately

further  value  capture.  Finally,  we're  also  continuing  to  drive  more  actionability  in  the  lower  funnel

through incorporating third-party ads into our auction to grow relevant shoppable ad demand. As we

expected,  third-party  ad  demand  became  an  even  larger  source  of  revenue  this  quarter  and  is

continuing to fill in gaps in the auction, especially on our high-intent surfaces like search and related

items, where relevant ads are additive shoppable content for our users. We know that performance

is only as good as the advertiser's ability to measure it.

Because  of  this,  we're  focused  on  driving  adoption  of  our  privacy-centric  measurement  tools  like

conversions  API  and  clean  rooms.  We've  continued  to  grow  adoption  of  these  tools  in  Q2,  with  a

sharp focus on advertisers with lower funnel shopping and conversion objectives. This adoption has

been driven by a few key initiatives. First, we are easing the onboarding process for advertisers with

the goal of meeting advertisers where they are with whatever third-party solutions they are using.

As  such,  we  revamped  our  developer  site  and  continue  to  increase  the  number  of  third-party

integration partnerships. Second, we have bolstered our own seller training efforts and education to

help advertisers understand how these solutions can strengthen their conversion visibility. With that,

we  continue  to  make  measurement  adoption  a  key  priority  for  our  sales  force  and  tie  a  portion  of

seller incentive compensation to propriety-centric measurement adoption. While we want advertisers

to  adopt  our  own  solutions  and  best  practices,  we  recognize  that  many  of  them  have  their  own

measurement source of truth.

To that end, we focused our efforts on making sure we are showing up correctly and consistently,

wherever an advertiser measures their performance. Moving to AI and automation. Our work to build

out  our  lower  funnel  suite  continued  in  Q2  with  the  announcement  of  Performance  Plus.  This

brand-new offering, which recently entered beta for a limited number of advertisers brings together

all  of  our  AI  and  automation  tools  across  bidding,  budgeting,  and  targeting  to  improve  campaign

performance on Pinterest.

With Performance Plus, lower funnel advertisers can use these tools in concert to unlock our most

powerful  automation  and  AI  features,  all  within  a  new  simplified  campaign  setup.  Advertisers  can

also  apply  any  of  these  features  to  non-Performance  Plus  campaigns,  giving  them  the  ultimate

control based on their unique needs. We are excited about Performance Plus as the next iteration of

our lower funnel suite, as we roll out these tools, we expect a similar multi-quarter product uptake

and  adoption  curve  as  our  previous  lower  funnel  launches  like  shopping  ads,  mobile  deep  linking,

and direct links and conversion APIs. This suite of tools when used together compound upon each

other to drive powerful lower funnel performance for our advertisers.

While still early, the test results have been positive. Many of the advertisers who participated in our

Performance Plus Alpha test this spring saw a greater than 10% improvement in cost per acquisition

for their lower funnel conversion and shopping ad campaigns or a greater than 10% improvement in

cost per click, CPC, for consideration campaigns. For example, outdoor apparel brand Timberland

was an early tester of Performance Plus in the U.K. and saw a 34% lower cost per action, a 16%

increase  in  click-through  rate,  and  ultimately,  a  50%  higher  return  on  ad  spend  from  their

Performance Plus-enabled campaign versus their traditional campaigns.

In  addition,  Performance  Plus  significantly  reduces  the  time  required  for  advertisers  to  create  a

campaign  with  50%  fewer  inputs  than  a  traditional  creation  flow.  We  are  also  testing  additional

automation  solutions,  which  we  plan  to  incorporate  into  the  Performance  Plus  suite  in  the  coming

months.  These  include  Performance  Plus  bidding  for  ROAS,  which  automatically  optimizes

advertisers' bids to drive the highest ROI, and Performance Plus Creative, which helps advertisers

make  new  ad  creative  using  generative  AI  and  optimize  their  existing  creative  across  multiple  ad

formats. Performance Plus Creative is already driving tangible results for advertisers.

Fashion Marketplace, Poshmark, an early tester of the product saw a 25% lift in click-through rates

on  products  with  a  Performance  Plus  generated  background  versus  a  white  background.  As  we

continue to iterate, we will roll these features out to a broader swath of lower-funnel advertisers, and

we'll have more to share as we progress through the second half of the year. Overall, I'm proud of

our latest automation rollout, a continuation of our efforts to deliver the best possible performance

for advertisers and reduced friction in doing so. Our goal is for advertisers to be able to provide us

with a budget, a goal, and their seed creative and we'll do the rest.

With that, I'll turn the call over to Julia to share more details about our financial performance.

Julia Donnelly -- Chief Financial Officer

Thanks,  Bill,  and  good  afternoon,  everyone.  Today,  I'll  be  discussing  our  second-quarter  2024

financial  results  and  provide  an  update  on  our  preliminary  third-quarter  2024  outlook.  All  financial

metrics, except for revenue will be discussed in non-GAAP terms unless otherwise specified, and all

comparisons will be discussed on a year-over-year basis unless otherwise noted. Let's dive into our

second-quarter results.

We  ended  the  quarter  with  522  million  global  monthly  active  users,  or  MAUs,  growing  12%  and

reaching  another  record  high.  Users  continue  to  grow  year  over  year  across  all  of  our  geographic

regions due to the compounding effects of the initiatives Bill mentioned earlier in his remarks, were

improved  personalization,  curation,  and  actionability  are  driving  enhanced  inspiration  to  action

journeys  for  users.  Specifically,  in  Q2,  in  the  U.S.  and  Canada,  we  had  98  million  MAUs,  growing

3%.

In Europe, we had 136 million MAUs, growing 9%, and in our Rest of World markets, we had 288

million  MAUs,  growing  17%.  Now,  on  to  revenue.  In  Q2,  our  global  revenue  was  $854  million,  up

21% on a reported and constant-currency basis. The revenue strength this quarter, which exceeded

the high end of our guidance range, highlights how we are driving value for advertisers across the

full funnel with particular strength coming from our lowest funnel conversion objective.

From  a  vertical  perspective,  we  once  again  saw  broad  strength  in  retail.  Our  larger,  more

sophisticated  advertisers  continue  to  lean  into  the  platform  as  they  have  adopted  our  lower-funnel

tools and are seeing continued success. We're also starting to see signs of value capture from the

next  tranche  of  advertisers,  as  we  have  doubled  clicks  for  the  third  quarter  in  a  row  and  those

advertisers  are  beginning  to  see  that  impact  in  their  measurement  sources  of  truth  and  adjusting

spending accordingly. Additionally, emerging verticals like technology, autos, and financial services

were sources of strength.

However,  this  growth  was  partially  offset  by  softness  within  CPG,  specifically  food  and  beverage

advertisers, who are navigating broader headwinds within that category. Next, as expected, revenue

from  our  third-party  demand  partnerships  continued  to  ramp  in  Q2,  growing  sequentially  off  the

revenue  base  we  delivered  in  Q1,  as  it  continues  to  complement  our  growing  first-party  business.

Turning to our geographical breakout for Q2. In the U.S.

and  Canada,  we  generated  $673  million  in  revenue,  growing  19%,  strength  came  from  retail  and

from  emerging  categories,  including  technology,  autos,  and  financial  services.  In  Europe,  revenue

was  $143  million,  growing  25%  on  both  the  reported  and  constant-currency  basis.  Strength  in

Europe was driven by retail. Revenue from Rest of World was $38 million, grew 32% on a reported

basis or 36% on a constant-currency basis.

In  Q2,  ad  impressions  grew  35%,  while  ad  pricing  declined  11%  year  over  year.  These  dynamics

were similar to Q1 with ad impressions being driven both by increases in total impressions as well

as  increases  in  ad  load.  Similarly,  pricing  continues  to  be  lower  year  over  year  as  we  continue  to

drive increased value to advertisers in the form of more clicks and greater efficiency. We continue to

drive increases in ad load through whole-page optimization, which increases the supply of relevant

ads  to  users  in  moments  of  high  commercial  intent,  and  we  see  opportunity  to  increase  ad  load

moving forward, as we further improve the actionability of our users' journeys and the relevance of

our ads.

In Q2, we also saw a greater mix shift to ad impressions with lower average pricing or eCPM. This

was  influenced  by  two  factors.  First,  we  started  serving  ads  in  previously  un-monetized  markets,

mostly in our Rest of World region, many of which have lower eCPMs than our existing monotype

markets. And second, on a global basis, we are seeing growth in third-party ad impressions to fill in

gaps in our auction in places that were previously under-monetized or not monetized at all.

Right now, we are mainly filling these in with relevant demand from third parties, but over time, as

we  increase  demand  further,  we  expect  to  see  greater  auction  pressure  and,  therefore,  higher

eCPMs for these ad products. Moving to expenses. For the past several quarters, we've been able

to drive continued margin expansion through effective expense discipline, while allocating resources

toward our highest ROI initiatives. In Q2, cost of revenue was $180 million, up 9% year over year

and  up  2%  versus  Q1,  due  to  increased  infrastructure  spend  related  to  user  and  engagement

growth  and  partially  offset  by  our  continued  work  to  drive  cost  optimizations  on  our  infrastructure

spend.

Our non-GAAP operating expense was $497 million, up 13%. The increase was primarily driven by

head  count  growth  and  R&D,  increased  marketing  expense,  and  increased  G&A,  driven  by

non-income-based  taxes  and  other  employee-related  costs.  Our  revenue  strength  and  expense

discipline led to another solid quarter of adjusted EBITDA and margin expansion, coming in at $180

million with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 21%. This was up approximately 600 basis points versus

Q2 last year.

Finally, we ended the quarter with cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities of $2.7 billion.

In Q2, we utilized approximately $120 million of cash on net share settlement of equity awards, plus

an  additional  $34  million  on  share  repurchases.  Now,  I'll  discuss  our  preliminary  guidance  for  the

third  quarter.  We  expect  Q3  2024  revenue  to  be  in  the  range  of  $885  million  to  $900  million,

representing 16% to 18% growth year over year.

Let  me  share  some  additional  context  as  we  look  forward  to  Q3.  Our  revenue  guidance  reflects

further  progress  against  our  strategic  initiatives,  including  continued  lower  funnel  strength  and  the

ongoing  emerging  contribution  from  third-party  demand  partnerships.  The  underlying  health  of  our

business remains strong, and we continue to be excited about the opportunities ahead. However, as

we move into Q3, we are facing tougher comps since our revenue growth nearly doubled from Q2 to

Q3 last year.

It is also worth noting that current spot rates, we are expecting a foreign exchange to move against

us for the first time in five quarters, resulting in a one-point headwind for Q3. Finally, our guidance

does not assume a material improvement in trend for the food and beverage category, or significant

revenue  contribution  from  the  launch  of  Performance  Plus  as  we  are  still  currently  in  the  testing

phase  with  a  small  number  of  advertisers.  Turning  now  to  our  expense  guidance.  We  expect  Q3

non-GAAP operating expenses of $485 million to $500 million, growing 17% to 20% year over year.

Our  operating  expense  guidance  does  not  include  cost  of  revenue.  However,  we  plan  to  realize

modest  additional  benefits  from  our  ongoing  infrastructure  optimization  efforts,  and  therefore,  we

anticipate Q3 non-GAAP cost of revenue expense to be relatively consistent with Q2. The increase

in non-GAAP operating expense year over year is driven by investment increases in R&D, where we

continue to invest in head count for AI talent across our business. As we have said previously, for

full-year 2024, we are anticipating year-over-year adjusted EBITDA margin expansion, but at a more

modest level than the 660-basis-point expansion we delivered in 2023, as we balance investing in

growth and flowing profitability through to the bottom line.

We  also  continue  to  expect  margin  expansion  in  both  halves  of  2024,  though  consistent  with  our

prior  remarks,  we  expect  a  more  modest  level  of  margin  expansion  in  the  second  half  versus

significantly higher expansion in the first half, as we begin to lap the strengthening adjusted EBITDA

margins  we  drove  in  the  second  half  of  2023.  In  closing,  I'm  proud  of  our  team  for  delivering  yet

another strong quarter of results as we execute against our strategic plans. Our continued gains are

evidence of the momentum in our business and underpin our confidence in our ability to deliver on

our plans. Now, I'll hand it over to Bill for some final words.

Bill Ready -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks,  Julia.  I  want  to  thank  our  teams  at  Pinterest,  our  advertising  partners,  and  all  the  people

that  come  to  Pinterest  to  find  inspiration  in  the  shop.  And  with  that,  we  can  open  the  call  up  for

questions.

Operator

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