MARKEL-GROUP Earningcall Transcript Of Q2 of 2024


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Thomas Sinnickson Gayner -- Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, and good morning. Welcome to The Markel Group second quarter conference call. My

name is Tom Gayner, and I serve as your CEO. I'm joined today by our CFO, Brian Costanzo, and

the president of our insurance operations, Jeremy Noble.

I'll make a few opening remarks and then turn things over to Brian and Jeremy to update you on our

financial  results  and  some  comments  on  our  insurance  engine.  Then  we  will  open  the  floor  for

questions. We always appreciate the chance to spend time with our partners. We cannot build the

Markel Group without long-term owners who share our goals.

As  such,  we  welcome  your  long-term  questions,  thoughts,  and  comments  as  fellow  owners  of  the

business. First off, we've got some good results to share with you. Brian will follow the conventions

of  financial  reporting  and  share  our  most  recent  quarterly  and  year-to-date  financial  results.  I  will

speak to some longer-term numbers.

Those results will show positive contributions from each of our three engines. Our insurance engine

continued to grow in the first half of 2024. Underwriting profitability improved sequentially from the

first  quarter.  Our  ongoing  accounting  conservatism  and  integrity  can  also  be  seen  by  ongoing

favorable reserve development.

We continue to produce improved underwriting results so far in 2024 despite ongoing industrywide

pressures  of  inflation  and  loss  costs  across  almost  every  class  of  business.  I  am  proud  of  our

insurance  teammates  and  their  ongoing  dedication  to  continuing  to  improve  our  underwriting

performance.  In  our  Ventures  operations,  we  set  new  records  in  sales  and  earnings.  I  think  it's

accurate to say that we achieved these results against a backdrop of increasingly competitive and

challenging external positions.

I  would  also  describe  the  overall  economic  environment,  as  returning  to  some  sense  of  normality

after the last few years of disrupted overall conditions, supply chain challenges emerging and being

dealt with, dramatic interest rate movements in both directions and other volatility creating surprises

of  head  snapping  speed  in  force.  Markel  Ventures  continues  to  perform  very  well  amid  these

conditions,  and  I  couldn't  be  prouder  of  the  team's  efforts  and  their  results.  One  other  point  on

Ventures  is  that  for  the  last  several  years,  we've  been  talking  about  how  high  transaction  prices

were in the buying and selling the businesses. As such, we acted with discipline and did not add any

new companies to our family in 2022 or 2023.

I'm  pleased  to  report  that  so  far  in  2024,  our  partners  at  VSC  and  Costa  Farms  have  acquired

businesses  that  complement  their  existing  offerings  and  footprint.  We  also  added  a  new  Markel

Ventures company at the end of the second quarter with the purchase of a majority interest in Valor

Environmental.  Valor  is  a  leading  provider  of  erosion  control,  storm  water  management,  and

regulatory-driven site services, and we are delighted to welcome them to the family. Valor in each of

the VSC and Costa transactions met our long-standing four-part test we use to guide us in selecting

investments both public and private.

Those  four  parts  are:  one,  we  look  for  businesses  with  good  returns  on  capital  that  don't  use  too

much  debt.  Second,  we  look  for  management  teams  with  equal  measures  of  talent  and  integrity;

Third,  we  look  for  businesses  with  reinvestment  opportunities  and  capital  discipline,  and  four,  we

look for all of those first three lovely attributes at a fair price. As to Valor and the additions of Costa

and  VSE,  check,  check,  check,  and  check.  It's  worth  noting  that  beyond  being  an  attractive  buyer

and home to sellers of long-term, multi-generation family businesses and their owners.

At  certain  times,  we  can  be  an  attractive  buyer  for  financial  backers  such  as  family  offices  and

private  equity  firms.  Until  recently,  we  did  not  consummate  any  deals  for  those  types  of  sellers.

Higher interest rates and changing business conditions are starting to shake a few things loose from

some different trees these days. We are productively engaged in way more conversations with way

more kinds of sellers in this environment than it has been in the case in recent years.

Stay tuned for more news as time goes by. I am personally excited by what we're seeing and what

we're working on these days. Our ability to productively deploy capital at good rates of return and

durable  businesses  that  meet  our  four-part  test  is  exciting  to  me.  The  skills  and  relationships

required to invest capital wisely don't spring up overnight.

We've been honing these skills for decades, and the opportunities to act on them are now growing.

On  the  investment  side,  we  continue  to  consistently  follow  our  time-tested  strategy.  The  recurring

interest  and  dividend  income  continues  to  increase  as  each  maturing  bond  in  our  portfolio  is

replaced with a higher coupon security. Similarly, dividend income from our high-quality portfolio of

equities continues to increase.

While our relative equity returns this year trails the S&P 500, we remain committed to our long-term

disciplined approach. The last time we trailed the S&P by this magnitude was in the late 1990s when

the market seemed possessed by a singular market focus. We stuck to our guns and preserved and

protected  our  balance  sheet.  That  turned  out  to  be  a  good  thing  when  the  market  environment

changed.

It seems to me like we might be facing a similar phase change environment today as we did at that

time.  We  have  been  and  will  remain  committed  to  our  successful  time-tested  low-cost  and

tax-efficient strategy. Finally, before I turn the call over to Brian to review the 2024 results, I want to

provide some thoughts on a longer-term horizon measurement of our progress at the Markel Group.

As we've stated repeatedly over the years, we aspire to build one of the world's great companies,

and we mean to do so in an enduring fashion.

As  one  tool  to  foster  long-term  behavior,  internally,  we  measure  our  performance  over  five-year

intervals to judge our performance and calculate incentive compensation. We do so in an effort to

constantly  remain  focused  on  longer-term  accomplishments  rather  than  quarterly  or  annual

measures.  Five  years  ago,  at  June  30,  2019,  we  had  total  net  investments,  that  is  our  entire

investment portfolio plus cash minus debt of $17.5 billion. As of June 30, 2024, that number stands

at $28.2 billion, an increase of 61%.

Five  years  ago  through  June  30,  2019,  we  earned  underwriting  and  insurance  income  of  $142

million.  Five  years  later,  through  June  30,  2024,  we  earned  underwriting  and  insurance  income  of

$313 million, an increase of 120%. Five years ago through June 30, 2019, we earned $133 million of

operating  income  in  our  Markel  Ventures  operations.  Through  June  30,  2024,  we  earned  $281

million of operating income, an increase of 112%.

At  June  30,  2019,  each  share  of  Markel  sold  for  about  $1,100.  At  June  30,  2024,  each  share  of

Markel  sold  for  about  $1,575,  an  increase  of  about  43%.  The  share  price  change  is  the  lowest

number on the page. In response to our own calculation of the intrinsic value per share of Markel,

and  the  array  of  opportunities  available  to  us  to  productively  deploy  capital,  we've  repurchased

Markel shares.

Five years ago, the share count stood at 13.826 million shares. At June 30, 2024, it stood at 12.962

million, a decrease of almost 1 million shares. The vast majority of these repurchases took place in

the  2022  through  2024  time  frame.  It  seems  to  me  that  the  math  indicates  we're  looking  at  the

circumstance of more company divided by fewer shares.

I  think  that  this  ought  to  produce  excellent  returns  for  our  shareholders  over  time.  Even  more

important than the numbers, is the way the numbers get achieved. The numbers are the outcome

and the results of our culture and the efforts of the people of this company. As we say in the first

paragraph of our culture statement, the Markel style, we believe in hard work and zealous pursuit of

excellence while keeping a sense of humor.

Our creed is honesty and fairness in all of our dealings. I am proud of the people of Markel, and I

thank  them  for  their  ongoing  efforts  to  build  our  company  around  such  wonderful  principles.  With

that, I'd like to turn things over to Brian. But wait, before I do, I just want to interject here, my frac

and able and wonderful assistant, Cynthia Fedderman, actually deployed the tools of AI to take my

comments and ask Microsoft copilot to write a poem about what I just said.

This  will  only  take  a  second,  but  I  can't  help  but  share  it  with  you.  So  here  it  goes.  We're  glad  to

share some news with you about our quarter two review. We have three engines that fuel our fire,

insurance, ventures, and investments they inspire.

Our  insurance  engine  showed  its  skill  in  underwriting  despite  some  mills.  Our  ventures  engine

soared to new heights in sales and earnings and new buys. Our investment engine stuck to our plan

of low-cost, tax-efficient, and brand. We track our progress over five years, and we see more value

and less fears.

We also bought back some of our stock to show you that we value your log. We thank you for your

trust in backing, and we hope you'll join our unpacking. So with that AI augmented presentation, let

me turn it over to you, Brian. 

Brian Costanzo -- Chief Financial Officer

Thanks,  Tom.  It  can  be  hard  to  top  that.  Maybe  we  can  make  Dr.  Seuss  book  out  of  that  poem

there.

Excited  to  be  here  this  morning  to  discuss  our  results  for  the  first  half  of  2024.  Each  of  our  three

engines, insurance, investments, and Markel Ventures made significant contributions to our first half

results. Starting off with the consolidated results. Total revenues increased 5% to $8.2 billion for the

first  half  of  2024,  and  total  operating  income  increased  slightly  year-over-year  to  $1.75  billion  with

the largest driver of growth being a 34% increase in our net investment income.

Net  income  to  common  shareholders  was  $1.3  billion  in  the  first  half  of  2024,  compared  to  $1.2

billion  in  the  same  period  of  2023.  The  comprehensive  income  to  shareholders  in  the  first  half  of

both 2024 and 2023 was $1.2 billion. Net cash provided by operating activities was $1.2 billion in the

first half of 2024, compared to $1 billion in the same period of 2023. Operating cash flows in 2024

reflected strong cash flows from each of our operating engines with the most significant contribution

coming from our insurance engine.

In May, we issued $600 million of 30-year 6% unsecured senior notes, bringing our debt-to-capital

ratio to 22%. In the first half of 2024, we repurchased $260 million of Markel Group common stock

under  our  outstanding  share  repurchase  program  compared  to  $187  million  in  the  same  period  of

last  year.  Turning  now  to  the  performance  of  our  three  operating  engines  and  starting  with  our

insurance  engine.  Gross  written  premiums  within  our  underwriting  operations  grew  by  6%  to  $5.7

billion for the first half of 2024, compared to $5.4 billion in the same period of 2023.

Our  increased  premium  volume  was  driven  by  our  international  marine  and  energy  insurance  and

reinsurance  business  and  growth  on  select  U.S.  lines  of  business,  including  personal  lines  and

programs. This was partially offset by targeted premium contraction in select classes within our U.S.

professional  liability  and  general  liability  portfolios  where  we  took  underwriting  actions  to  improve

profitability.

Jeremy will discuss these actions in more detail within his commentary. Our consolidated combined

ratio for the first half of 2024 was 94%, compared to 93% in the same period of 2023. The one-point

increase  was  due  to  higher  attritional  loss  ratios  on  our  professional  liability  and  general  liability

insurance  product  lines  as  we  remain  prudent  in  adding  margin  to  classes  with  challenging  loss

trends.  Also,  we  recognized  losses  on  our  discontinued  intellectual  property  collateral  protection

insurance product.

On year-to-date 2024 consolidated combined ratio, we included $96.8 million or two points of losses

on our CPI product line. Prior year loss reserves development improved over the first half of 2024 to

$221 million in loss takedowns versus $139 million in 2023. Favorable development in the first half

of  2024  was  most  notable  within  our  international  professional  liability  product  lines.  We  remain

cautious in our approach to reducing prior year loss reserves on our longer-tail U.S.

professional liability and general liability lines given recent claim trends. Within our program services

and ILS operations, operating income increased 23% to $61 million primarily driven by strong growth

and performance in our fronting businesses. Moving next to our investment results. We reported net

investment  income  of  $441  million  in  the  first  half  of  2024,  compared  to  $329  million  in  the  same

period last year.

Net  investment  income  reflects  the  recurring  interest  and  dividends  earned  on  our  investment

portfolio. We continue to benefit from higher interest rates as the yield on our fixed maturity portfolio,

short-term  investments  and  cash  equivalents  all  increased  compared  to  the  first  half  of  2023.  We

expect, based on the current interest rate environment, that the yield on fixed maturity securities will

continue to increase slightly throughout 2024 as lower-yielding securities mature and are replaced

by  higher-yielding  securities.  At  June  30,  2024,  the  book  yield  on  our  fixed  maturity  portfolio  was

3.4%, up from just over 3% at the end of last year.

Net  investment  gains  of  $772  million  in  2024  reflect  favorable  market  movements,  resulting  in  a

return of 8.9% on our public equity portfolio for the first six months of 2024. This compares to net

investment gains of $857 million for the first half of 2023. As you've heard us say many times before,

we  focus  on  long-term  investment  performance,  expecting  variability  in  the  equity  markets  from

period to period. At the end of June, the fair value of our equity portfolio included cumulative pre-tax

unrealized gains of $6.9 billion.

Net unrealized investment losses included in other comprehensive loss in the first half of 2024, or

$152 million net of taxes compared to net unrealized investment gains of $30 million net of taxes in

the  same  period  of  2023.  Recall  that  we  typically  hold  our  fixed  maturity  investments  until  they

mature and would generally expect unrealized holding gains and losses attributed to the change in

interest  rates  to  reverse  in  future  periods  as  bonds  mature.  We  continue  our  long-standing

precedent of investing in the highest quality of fixed income securities. As of June 30, 2024, 98% of

our fixed maturity portfolio was rated AA or better and there are no current or expected credit losses

within the portfolio.

Finally,  I'll  cover  the  results  from  our  Markel  Ventures  engine.  Revenues  from  Markel  Ventures

increased 4% in the first half of 2024 versus the same period of 2023, reflecting moderate revenue

increases at many of our products businesses as well as contributions from an acquisition made by

one of our businesses in the first quarter of 2024. Markel Ventures operating income increased 7%,

driven by higher revenues and improved operating margins at our consumer and building products

businesses.  As  Tom  mentioned,  we  also  completed  the  acquisition  of  Valor  Environmental  late  in

the second quarter, adding to our family of businesses within Markel Ventures.

Inclusion of operating results from Valor will begin in the third quarter. For our June financials, the

preliminary  allocation  of  purchase  price  includes  $108  million  to  goodwill  and  $49  million  to

intangible assets. With that, I will turn it over to Jeremy to talk more about our insurance engine.

Jeremy A. Noble -- President, Insurance

Thanks,  Brian,  and  good  morning,  everyone.  I'm  pleased  to  be  here  with  you  to  discuss  our

progress within the insurance engine over the first half of this year. Our insurance results continued

to improve this year, coming off elevated combined ratio results during the latter half of 2023 due to

prior year's reserve strengthening. Our combined ratio for the second quarter improved sequentially

and our first half combined ratio is where we expected to be at this point in the year despite higher

losses within our intellectual property collateral protection portfolio which is in runoff.

As Brian shared, we experienced greater favorable development on prior year's reserves through six

months of 2024 than a year ago, and have not seen meaningful further development in the products

we  addressed  at  year-end.  Overall,  our  operating  revenue  growth  and  underwriting  gross  written

premium growth in the first half of the year reflects the actions we have taken to improve profitability.

Within  our  insurance  segment,  the  lines  where  I  have  previously  discussed  us  taking  significant

underwriting  action  to  improve  profitability,  namely  our  brokerage  excess  and  umbrella  and

brokerage  contractors  books  within  general  liability,  and  our  risk-managed  professional  liability

classes,  we  decreased  writings  year-to-date  by  over  20%.  The  remainder  of  our  products  in  our

insurance  segment,  where  we  are  generally  achieving  good  levels  of  profitability  and  are  satisfied

with rate adequacy have grown 8% in the aggregate.

Now let me briefly take you through each of our divisions for the first half of the year. First off, within

our specialty division, we continue to benefit from the corrective actions taken within select classes

in  our  casualty  and  professional  liability  books,  while  will  also  remain  cautious  on  our  current

accident year loss picks in these areas. This is most evident in the gross written premium reductions

in select classes of our casualty and professional books. I mentioned earlier.

But  specifically,  we  continue  to  pursue  growth  and  profitable  product  classes,  including  personal

lines,  property,  inland  marine,  binding  and  small  commercial,  managed  reliability,  and  select

programs  business.  Many  of  these  lines  are  achieving  meaningful  rate  increases.  An  exception  is

property, where in the past few months, we have seen a contraction in rates back to low single digits

but still at attractive pricing levels. The growth in these lines is improving the product mix and overall

combined ratio of the division as our premium earnings mix changes.

Within  our  casualty  and  professional  liability  classes,  we  continue  to  execute  on  our  corrective

underwriting  action  plans  within  certain  pockets  of  the  portfolio,  where  results  have  not  met  our

expectations.  During  the  first  half  of  the  year,  our  recently  discontinued  intellectual  property

collateral  protection  product  line  negatively  impacted  our  combined  ratio  performance  due  to  an

increase  in  the  frequency  of  defaults  on  loans  collateralized  by  intellectual  property  that  became

impaired. During the second quarter, we recognized additional claims expense of $56 million relating

to this discontinued product line, which adversely impacted our loss ratio by three points. Through

the first half of 2024, we have recognized $97 million in claims activity which increased our loss ratio

by two points.

Given the claims made nature of this product, most of these losses impact our current accident year

attritional  loss  ratio.  We  recognized  claims  expense  at  the  time  claims  are  considered  probable

which occurs when there is both a default on the loan and an impairment on the intellectual property

collateralizing  the  loan.  That  said,  loan  defaults  are  trending  both  at  a  faster  clip  and  at  a

meaningfully  higher  level  than  anticipated  at  the  beginning  of  the  year.  Changes  in  the

macroeconomic  conditions  have  put  strain  on  early  stage  businesses,  resulting  in  less  access  to

capital and higher loan defaults.

Valuations  of  the  intangible  assets,  collateralized  to  loans  also  have  not  held  up  in  the  workout

process. We expect the majority of loss activity on this product to resolve by the end of 2025. The

impact in any future quarter is unlikely to be significantly more than what has been experienced in

each of the past two quarters. For context, our portfolio consists of approximately 30 individual loan

transactions for which we have recorded claims expense of just under half of the loans.

Overall, our specialty division under its recently refreshed management team led by Alex Martin, has

done  a  tremendous  job  of  quickly  executing  on  our  corrective  actions  and  improving  profitability,

while attending to the needs of our trading partners and insurance. We are now very focused on our

product capabilities where we can add value and feel we can grow. I applaud our collective specialty

team  for  their  resiliency,  tenacity  and  commitment.  Our  international  division  continues  to  produce

fantastic results, achieving both significant premium growth of just over 8% and a sub-80 combined

ratio for the first half of this year.

We  continue  to  push  for  growth  both  organically  and  through  geographic  expansion  as  well  as

broadening our product offerings across our existing operations. While we have seen an increase in

competition  and  downward  pressure  on  rates  within  some  classes  in  our  international  book,

specifically  our  professional  liability,  energy,  and  cyber  portfolios,  we  believe  these  lines  are  still

priced  at  levels  that  meet  our  requirements  from  a  rate  adequacy  standpoint.  Our  State  National

program  services  operations  achieved  significant  premium  growth  of  22%  for  the  first  half,  while

producing consistent levels of high profitability. We also continue to differentiate ourselves within the

fronting market with our ability to facilitate and place complex transactions.

Our  team  continues  to  be  best-in-class  and  efficiently  matching  risk  with  capital,  managing  our

exposures.  Within  our  Nephila  operations,  the  team  has  been  hard  at  work  constructing  attractive

portfolios  and  responding  to  heightened  levels  of  natural  catastrophe  losses  anticipated  this  year.

We  have  both  hedged  risk  for  current  capacity  deployed  and  reduced  overall  premium  writings,

which will modestly lower our operating revenues in the short term. However, these actions are in

the long-term best interest of our investors, and we remain excited about the future prospects of our

business.

In our global reinsurance division, we remain steadfastly focused on pricing adequacy for the lines

we  are  deploying.  In  the  current  market  environment,  we've  lowered  our  required  combined  ratio

pricing  targets  to  reflect  caution,  while  also  being  opportunistic  in  pockets  of  the  book,  and

particularly within our marine and energy class. In general, we are walking away from deals where

we  believe  pricing  is  inadequate.  With  that,  I'd  like  to  thank  our  over  5,000  associates  across  our

Insurance  operations,  for  their  exemplary  efforts  for  the  first  half  of  the  year,  delivering  improving

results and serving our clients.

Now I'll turn it back over to Tom.

Thomas Sinnickson Gayner -- Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Jeremy, and Brian. As with that, we will open the floor for questions, if we may.

Operator

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